It was moving and changing shape ever so slowly. Its Memorial Day, 2020. The four-foot stabilizing chute was severed, my lap belt was opened and the butt snapper straps straightened, booting me out of the seat while simultaneously pulling the ripcord that would deploy my parachute. Great job! I looked around me to see hundreds of people, mostly villagers, including old folks and children. Your comments and wisdom are much appreciated. We should have learned from the last two years of the Korean War that China would not be deterred from conventional warfare by enormous pounding of both front-line forces and non-stop interdiction. The U.S records showing 5,607 helicopter losses[2]. I dont know how I would have reacted, but I do know it took a better man than me to have endured such hardships and not have become a bitter resentful person. Thanks for telling our story Joe. Knowing you were handled so badly by your bosses has to be a tough thing to take. The USMC focused almost entirely on close air support (yards, not miles) of their ground units and on point defense over an amphibious landing. 149959 AH 300 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile (SAM) during a combat mission over North Vietnam. Lt Cmdr Frederick P Crosby's plane crashed in a pond during the Vietnam War in 1965 (inset). Here is how I replied to another anti-war zealot two years ago, 2/17/2017 in the AFJ Comments section: War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. | site designed by. Thank you, David. I was at a loss for words. Despite these difficulties, we began to taxi. I am most grateful for the hero status conferred upon me by the predominance of commenters. Ed McGaa, Marine F4s, Chu Lai Mostly CAS. While the Vietnamese and Chinese have a long history of ethnic combat, the Chinese were happy to limit both Russian and American military influence in SE Asia, by replacing every bullet fired by North Vietnam. [5], Claimed by VPAF: 154 MiG aircraft lost through all causes, including 131 in air combat (includes 63 MiG-17s, 8 MiG-19s and 60 MiG-21s)[21][22]. There were a total a 269 American and enemy aircraft shot down in air-to-air combat over Vietnam during the entire war201 in fights between the U.S. Air Force and North Vietnamese air force and just 68 in the U.S. Navy's air battles with the North Vietnamese. At 0600, I awoke to the annoying buzzer of my Telechron alarm clock. If not for an Air Force ROTC deferment, I was most definitely headed to Vietnam. Nose wheel liftoff speed was calculated to be over 170 knots and liftoff at nearly 200 knots or 230 mph! May God bless you. How many f4 were shot down? The NVA never admitted to capturing them! I fell into a restless, nightmarish and shivering cold sleep. Again- Bless you & Scotty! I looked for an escape route. God-Speed to our brothers in arms, where ever they may be! Lasted almost two weeks on the island before a Japanese sniper gave him his ticket off the island. Surprisingly, a young couple bandaged my head wounds. I turned that down, and promptly got drafted into the USArmy 31 days later! If you do that, itll be your first time in harms way. I remember their faces were not contorted with anger or hatred but rather with kind expressions of understanding almost bordering on a smile. My arms were tied behind my back with the elbows laced tightly together. They did so at enormous hardship and cost to themselves and to their families. I knew none of this before he died. Im still honored to have flown a 10 day trip with you around Asia with FedEx. I wish you and yours peace and happiness all the days of your life. Upon arrival at the Hoa Lo prison, I was placed in a dimly-lit room with light green, uneven walls. On Sept. 12, 1968, F-100D pilot Capt. The Royal Australian Air Force also flew combat and airlift missions in South Vietnam, as did the Republic of Vietnam. Without guys like Joe you would go to prison for writing what you just wrote. This fighter aircraft, flown by various pilots, was credited for 14 kills during the Vietnam War. Our own Phantom was suffering from a variety of ills. When my feet hit the floor with my elbows on my knees at bedside, a feeling of total despair came over me. Compare these massive figures to the six million Jewish folks who perished in the WWII Holocaust. We actually believed that the letters U.S. would frighten away any adversary who realized that we were in the confrontation. Only loss: 606058, destroyed on the ground during a VC attack on Tan Son Nhut, SVN on 14 June 1968. They were all well received. Final loss: EC-47Q 43-48636 (361st Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron, 56th SOW) shot down in Laos on the night of 04/5 45 February 1973, killing all 8 crewmen. List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War, Dark Eagles: A History of the Top Secret U.S. Aircraft (1999). I was a flight engineer in the Air Force and National Guard. Our birds were the E series and had the internal 20 MM and made good Mig.CAP birds. Those bumps on the walls, in retrospect, were a poor mans acoustic treatment for trying to muffle the screams of Americans being tortured there. That may be the biggest benefit from Viet Nam, a conflict which many would say yielded very few benefits, as you suggest. The time was 1151. Scotty hadnt regained consciousness. During the Vietnam War, thousands of U.S. aircraft were lost to antiaircraft artillery (AAA), surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and fighter interceptors ( MiG )s. The great majority of U.S. combat losses in all areas of Southeast Asia were to AAA. What? Fogleman became the only Super Sabre pilot ever rescued by riding out on a Cobra helicopter. I could feel them loop a rope around my neck, then attach the rope to my wrists and again, in similar fashion, to my ankles. claimed to have shot down 215 planes. In fact, there is no way you may be honored equal to what you gave. A photograph of Lockhart shows him being paraded through the streets of Hanoi. I even remember glancing around the cockpit at the throttles and the control stick. You also draw a conclusion that isnt at all clear-cut, which is why no one else has commented on it. Joes epilogue sums it all up. He also stated that there were no MiG-17 aces. Smoke would be pouring out of their engines. Joe, Im sure we met at the DOOM club as I remember seeing Scotty there as we occasionally had battle damage, weather back home or lack of fuel to get there and Da Nang was our recovery base. As the nose rises, pitch attitude must be controlled to achieve a nose-high attitude of 10 to 12 degrees. Phew III! Scotty had ejected. During the tour at NKP Thailand, I had opportunity to go TDY to Ubon Air base. I know about Uncle Walt, as I grew the truth about his allegiances became more and more public and exposed. Nobody else made a comment like yours because you are the only a-hole on here. Steve Snyder's masterful book, Shot Down, does justice to the adventures of his father, pilot Howard Snyder, and the crew of the B-17 plane Susan Ruth. I then drew my .38 caliber service revolver, opened the cylinder, emptied all the ammunition and threw it away. According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. This room was known, unaffectionately, by all who suffered there as the room with the green, bumpy walls. Seated on a small, wooden stool, the interrogation began in the usual way with, Name, rank, serial number and date of birth. When I refused to reply to any further questions except by repeating my name, rank, serial number and date of birth, my interrogating officer, in a most sinister way, and in a very convincing manner said, Crecca, you will die in Vietnam. In a matter of minutes I was bound with ropes. Owing to all the maintenance problems, we did not take off as a flight but departed single-ship and joined up on the KC-135 tanker aircraft over Thailand as a flight of three. Jim Hestand the AC of the fateful flight gave the eulogy at Bobbys funeral! The spot where I landed was probably a potato patch. Thank you for your sentiments. If you are wondering how this is possible, I will reveal at the outset that it is not possible. "You were right in the enemy's face with a. We were together at MacDill in the F-4 but rotated at different times into SEA. I think of Scotty Wilson and many others every, single day. I cannot express my admiration for you and others who went thru what you did. The USN was the only service which had been forced to learn power projection as the fundamental war-fighting technique. There were no J-79s! 83rd Arty 101ABN DIVARTY (This content is not subject to review by Daily Kos staff prior to publication. 1LT ALDRICH ROBERT HENRY BNR 12/27/1971154013 HMM-165 WO1 ALEXANDER BARRY KENNETH KIA 09/22/196968-513/68-23 71 AHC CPT ALEXANDER DAVID LEE KIA 02/06/197170-20 67-18493178 ASHC Manacles were locked onto my wrists as well. . Wasnt much left for my remaining Six. Stay up to date with the latest articles and selections from our archives. Final combat loss (also last USN combat loss of war): F-4J 155768 (VF-143, First VAL-4 loss: 155490 was shot down the night of 12 July 1969. A sub-standard OER means you dont get promoted on time. SGT Sam Tenorio [G] 2 injured. Our brand-new LtCol had dreams of a DFC or Silver Star, so we drove 250 miles or so North, with marginal weather at Chu Lai, to volunteer our (his) effort. Do you know how good a F4 sounds from the darn dirt ?!? I think there was supposed to be a moral to that story probably along the lines of smoking is always a bad idea but the way my father told the story, emphasizing how frightened the Marine was, and that he, my father, was only sitting with the other Marine to try to help him with his nerves, and to get him to calm down, well, it was obvious that this was another living, breathing, human being. Better than snakes or drowning in contaminated water, I thought briefly, before I was elevated again and dropped again. I admit now that, with the forebodings Id had earlier, I seriously thought about pulling the aerial refueling receptacle circuit breaker so it would not open, causing us to have to abort. . I have the greatest respect and admiration for you and other Vietnam POWs for your courage and what you had to endure. B/2/20 ARA #63-08597 A/C was shot down and after it hit exploded into flames. If the MiGs didnt come up, he couldnt have a chance to shoot one down. By 0900, my front-seater, 1stLt. Gordon Scotty Wilson and I were walking onto the north ramp to our weapons- and fuel-laden F-4C number 64-0755. God Bless America and her brave warriors! On Oct. 25, 1967, I strapped into my F-105 Thunderchief fighter-bomber and took to the sky on my 33rd combat mission to strike a bridge in the middle of Hanoi, North Vietnam. [9] Another source claims that the U.S. attributed losses to surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft fire because it was considered "less embarrassing". Encountered SAMs Finger Lakes area. The leaders claim was that we could easily have bingod into the RTAF base on the Thai border, so I should not have abandoned my flight leader. Thanks so very much. 1F-4C-1, Change 1, page 2-20) before reaching 30 knots below calculated nose wheel liftoff speed. Peebles Curtis. Source for F-4 losses is Phantom with U.S. Marine Corps (Joe Baugher), others are unsourced, Production of a total of 380 Mohawks ended in December 1970. VS-41 at NAS North Island retained four of the borrowed Broncos to be used for training replacement pilots and maintenance personnel. The MiG-21 N. 4324 of the Vietnam People's Air Force. North Vietnam, pre-1975: Killing of Two American Pilots Shot Down Over North Vietnam. I hope that this article and your word of mouth/teachings help other people stand up against stupidity and question the orders of those place in authority. I was starting to get the idea. Phew II! I served as Navy, lost friends both in country and after returning home with one still carried as MIA Army Helicopter Pilot. Glad to see you made it home, I remember that in 1972, 3, 4 & 5 most of America was oblivious to the fact that there was still a war going on & had moved on. Just a wild guess but you just enjoy your freedoms while you let others do the fighting and take the risks. Caribou A4-193 was destroyed by mortar fire while taxiing at That Son (near the Cambodian border) on 29 March 1970. It was you who were suffering in the oppressive heat & humidity. I remember the days when my dad flew Young Tiger over there. SMS D.R. I never came face-to-face with either asshole but I emailed the flight lead recently and told him off that he was incompetent, got Scotty Wilson killed, cost the USAF an F-4, caused my Fathers premature death and was responsible for unimaginable hardships for Scottys widow and daughter not to mention my 6+ years in prison. He took off the next several days. The flight call sign was Dogwood and we were number 2. I taught math, physics, automotive theory and practice, and classical music in the Hanoi Hilton. of an F-4), or I could man a missile silo in North Dakota. Im an alumnus of the 480th TFS myself ( USAFE, 78-80) and wish you all the best . All of us pilots felt lost. Even Yale plans to re-name from a Slavery advocate. AIRCRAFT SHOT DOWN DURING THE VIETNAM WAR BY USN/USMC PILOTS. Pilots lost control in low clouds during a night flare mission. Im glad you made it home. Thus ended my first day as a POW in North Vietnam. The aircraft banked sharply to the left, then to the right. A C-47 was the very first USAF aircraft lost in the SEA conflict, C-47B 44-76330 (315th Air Division) on TDY at. By The Associated Press. Ha! Dickens rescued) I presume because these stories are such difficult memories, we do not hear enough of them. Sorry you couldnt be there. Suddenly, I was lifted from the floor. One of our F-4s was not delivered by maintenance. He is someone that I have always respected and admired. Your story sheds much light on what his experiences must have been like. Your reaction to my article bears the stamps of liberalist tradition unhampered by progress, reveals a lack of understanding of politics on the world stage and shows complete disrespect for the sacrifices made by all Vietnam combat veterans. Thanks, again, for your story many more years of good health & happiness to you. Our standard load was 12-500s or 7 Nape. I was in the tower in Saigon and F-4s would come pouring in. After each plane was completed, two pilots (Call signs Perky01 and Perky02) would take the plane up for a check flight. I would spend the next six years and three months in five different prison camps around the city and countryside in North Vietnam; the farthest very near to the Chinese border. The first and only fatal crash by an RAAF aircraft in Thailand. all i can do is thank you so much for allowing common people like myself to be inspired . Joe, The eight-engine bomber was brought down by a North Vietnamese surface-to-air missile. Our detachment was working on WWll vintage C-47s, but we got to observe AC-130 gunships and the F-4 unit known as Wolf-Pack in action. u-6 losses need added all are army fixed wing aircraft, 5,195+ (which include not in addition to the above statistics)[2], North Vietnam captured 877 South Vietnamese aircraft at war's end. Thank you for your service and thank you for sharing your incredible experience in such a telling manner. The bomb release button was now hot! In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs (3,744 planes,[3] 5,607 helicopters[2] and 578 UAVs[1] ). Flights were around four hours. Moments later, the controller asked us to change our squawk, so we could be located for a skyspot drop. I was too young for Nam, but spent 20 years in the Navy under the water. I thank you for what you did for us all, and I know it cost you. They were taken to a hospital to be evaluated, but they lived. SP4 John C. Hughes [G] 1 injured. At this point I could only pray he would revive by the time he reached the ground. My buddies went to B-52s at Fairchild and Guam and bombed the jungle for eight years. Only those who were there truly know! Scotty then said over the radio to the leader, Dogwood 2 has a good inertial. Pilots who have used the AN/ASN-46 nav system (Up to 7 NM per hour error) will know whats going on here. A year and a half after his plane was shot down over North Vietnam, Porter sat in a filthy cell shared with another American prisoner of war, and learned that he was supposedly dead. It was the darkest moment of an amazing three weeks in Vietnam and I was quite happy to leave that place. I knew you had endured being a prisoner but we never talked about it. Model names were normalized in 1962 to UH-1s. The former fighter pilot, who was shot down over Vietnam in 1967, went on: Spent the day with Tom and Scottys brother Mark. May God continue to bless you. Kos Media, LLC. Crecca/Wilson International would be my recommendation in honor of a deceased F4 pilot and a 6 year POW since the F4 was the most numerous of Vietnam War aircraft casualties. Here, then, is our take on the five deadliest fighter pilots in U.S. military history: Major Richard Bong, Army Air Forces Hometown: Superior, Wisconsin Aka: Bing-Bang Years of Service: 1941 to. I expect Patrick Walker and his ilk were those that fled the USA because they were chicken. And I mourn their deaths. I wish I could have expressed my thanks to your Elder Eagle for successfully completing his mission to spring me out of jail. I hope the AFJ editor will exercise more discretion in the future. According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. Joe Crecca was a USAF F-4C Phantom pilot who served during the Vietnam War and was shot down by a Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) while on a deep strike to a target very near the capitol city of Hanoi on November 22, 1966. Daily Kos moves in solidarity with the Black community. My head, no longer protected by my helmet, was now receiving direct hits from clubs, rocks, rifle butts and God-knows-what. Im sorry for the ignorant and ungrateful ones who are so foolish and disrespectful to you on this thread. The direct hit had felt like wed had a collision with a fully-loaded cement truck. Hes a real dope. Hull blown-up. No one shot at him. Served in SAC during early fifties and proud of our commander. Yep. God Bless you, Joe. The icing on the cake came when he admitted to the controller that he did not know his position, because his tacan was spooling; he didnt realize we were out of tacan range. The soil was mercifully soft, loose and moist. 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