Is there a simpler way to describe it that isnt so technical? They wanted to make sure their kids knew the church loved them and didnt abandon them. This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. "Pastor Hall tenured his resignation to the church Thursday after being charged with DUI on Wednesday evening. Finance Director. Rob Adair. Shes a real Swinger! i was sold a bill of goods. Psychological assessments prior to ordination are required in some denominations, including the one to which my church belongs. But remember Max, we pew peons do not have the authority to question such things.. Jeffrey Chalmers: we pew peons do not have the authority to question such things, The American church could use a bunch of Nathan-prophets to point a finger in the face of countless dudebros and shout You are the man! (not in a complimentary way, of course). We already have some of that with Hillsong and Life.Church having campuses in the DFW area. This, and the assessments should begin at at earlier point in seminary admissions. How to Resign from a Church I assume they do church discipline. Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, pastors dont expect to be rich, famous playboys. . Anna, my good friend at No Eden Elsewhere, got booted off of Twitter when she tweeted that creepy pastor, Carl Lentz, should be tarred and feathered. The responsibility for any pain or fall out rests firmly on the shoulders of Hunter Hall & Isaac Wimberley. (its good to have connections, you know). Getting Here 8 Quad Way Durham, NH 03824 United States 603-862-1179 + It might help, but Im not sure how well it will work in the long run. And happy Thanksgiving! I saw the same thing with husbands and wives all the time, as well. people were relaxed about the human body, too. I notice grandiose statements in Christian schools and churches mission, marketing statements all the time. so i said to everyone, men and women. I might work myself up to a 10-pack of Haines socks for something terrible, and stinky, sweaty socks for the truly awful. They are done. As tragic as this all is one thing stands out for me. The concept of God is like rocket fuel for this. Did you notice that unlike the usual TV mystery/detective series, it wasnt always a Murder Mystery? Rev. Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list! There have been some pastors who started out well until the power and prestige of their positions got to them. That was 30 years ago. Shakespeares Falstaff, now supposed to be a lovable rogue, but hes a textbook narcissistic abuser. By engaging in these terrible acts and being such terrible examples for their congregations, these pastors are opening themselves up to being disciplined by God (if, indeed, they even ARE truly saved to begin with and are Gods born-again children through Christ.) Even if they say their wives were on board it might actually be the men were for it so they automatically assume thats what their wife wanted. My kids and I are reading the Plantagenet Cycle plays (Richard II, Henry 4-5-6, Richard III), and, knowing this was a popular, comic character, we were surprised at how utterly repulsive he was, in every way. A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. Regarding james beamers comment about calling out the wivesyes their sin is disgusting but its the MEN onstage every sunday claiming to speak for God! If Hunter Hall or Isaac Wimberley try to weasel back into ministry again, lets hope some folks will do a Google search and find this blog post. Kevin Hall, Assistant Director. That sounds like the apostle Pauls view, as well. Most UHCL students don't pay the full cost of college on their own. It was never disclosed how long this pattern of grievous sin went on, or when it stopped. I could see this as an outsider (from Growing up Martian); what about some GUBA (Grew Up Born Again) immersed in Christianese Culture since conception with NO outside perspective or possibility of same? A new career at UHCL could be in your future. Ive known Hunter Hall since he was 16 years old. They have limited their online presence on social media and blogs. And, boy, was their sin a beaut! What it turned into was mens ministry literally becoming invite-only (hello, Inner Ring), an extremely high turnover of other pastors/elders (hello, Celebrity Pastor disorder), and the church folding between the twin hits of founding/celebrity pastor departing and pandemic. I am becoming increasingly concerned about Matt Chandlers ability to choose pastors that understand the need for integrity in the pulpit. Max: If we used that criterion alone for Christian leaders, we would have to empty numerous American pulpits. Do they pass around a bowl of car keys from all present (picking at random selects which wife to swap), or is that too Seventies? It all goes back to 2016, when Hunter committed adultery with a woman in the churchbut the story only began there. They had little to no self reflection and often the woman was cast as dramatic or infantile (usually it was related to some sort of dating situation, but it sometimes pertained to other things that had a man or men involved) .when she wasnt the problem at all or in few cases only a little bit of the problem and not much. Sometimes pastors start to burn out, or they have family problems or health problems, or substance issues. Safe and Affordable Living Options . Jamin Roller is still 16 years old. Can I start a revolution where mental health assessments are a key part of allowing people to be church leaders? Hall and Wimberley would certainly be in the running. The church followed through on their promise to support the two families, keeping them on the payroll for a short time. So I am feeling yet again a gospel goodbye. Henry Hunter Hall is an American film and television actor.The son of actress-writer-director Kasi Lemmons and actor-director Vondie Curtis-Hall, Henry began his career as a child actor and has since tranisitoned to adult roles.He is most known for movies like Gridlock'd, Waist Deep, Black Nativity, Selah and the Spades, and Harriet; and TV shows like Answers To Everything, When They See Us . I finally walked up and said, Hey, maybe the dads could break up the party in the back?. ishy: Can I start a revolution where mental health assessments are a key part of allowing people to be church leaders? The Lovejoy tv character was less of a creep than the book character. This article helped me to extract myself from a friend who fit this description (the end of the article gives some good advice). That day was supposed to be an exciting day for the newly minted Citizens Church in Plano. So would I Max. When they fail to do that, they must be held to account publicly. He served faithfully until 2005. Satan is the author of confusion. Every time I think Ive heard it all, I realize I havent. emily honey: I think a lot about how grandiosity traits are normalized in the socialization into evangelical culture and some of the doctrine. In addition to NPD, learning about malignant narcissists can be helpful. to just go along. Explore our524-acre campus located on a wildlife and nature preserve in the heart Nobody who goes to bed at eight every night can be a Swinger.. I have to wonder if Lake Pointe Church is aware of ANY of this. The enemy of God offers counterfeits to everything, including grace., Association of Related Churches Someday, if they are faithful and true, they will rub shoulders with Pope Piper and King Mohler they will have arrived at The Inner Ring. emily honey: I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. thankfully, jesus/god/holy spirit are bigger than it all. It may be better to screen for these traits, and that might be more possible if the candidates are people who are known to the congregation for a long time. My mom is not doing well at home and may need to be rehospitalized and my kitchen is torn up. it was evening, it was getting colder. Theyre off stream as of this sermon, once this is over, and then they are going to be Citizens Church over there in Plano. how in the world did this happen? She is now back under a different handle while she deals with them. Pastor Smith preached his Farewell Sermon on Sunday, August 31, 2003. You know the old myth that celebrities die in threes, or something to that effect? Others in the church provided assistance in the form of monetary gifts, meals, gift cards. Matt & Lauren Chandler are friends with the Halls they are not just obscure staff members. In the old SBC model of doing church, young men going into the ministry were assigned associate positions for a season under a proven senior pastor. They operate according to the autonomous church system which does not require them to inform other churches of the bad actions of other pastors. There used to be a tradition of the loveable rogue who would steal from the honour boxes in churches and buy a round of drinks with the money he snagged. i mean, church culture messes with peoples personalities. At one point, cars did not have headlights. Third, the SBC (of which The Village Church IS a part of) has a faulty system for holding bad pastors accountable. heres a very mild example, of church culture hierarchy in general: i was with a group of friends from a previous church. They take the risk of presenting a range of viewpoints instead of drilling farther and farther down into the One True Way. Beau Hughes, pastor of the Denton campus, says the transition has caused increased unity in his congregation. Today, these youngsters are unleashed on the American church fresh out of seminary. I assume that they have studied Pauls writings and the epistles to the Corinthians in seminary. youd have thought lightning struck, sasquatch materialized, mothman swooped over us, and a UFO started its descent all at once. We will do our best accommodate each request. Visit the Guest Housing Section. We dont say, Only the wrong people use headlights., We also dont say, Wouldnt it be nice if I could see where I am driving at night hmm. the classroom. guests. Their perceptions had little to almost nothing to do with what my thoughts or intentions were about a subject and didnt match me as a person at all. Lewis wrote an entire essay on that, The Lure of the Inner Ring. In early 2020 Isaac Wimberleys wife wanted to return to Citizens Church to be restored as a member. Hes going to be one of the pastors over there. It didnt take long before the leadership at Citizens Church was made aware that there was more to the issue than they were originally told. A pastor who asks his wife to follow into this level of sin is wickedness of the worst order. Others in the church provided assistance in the form of monetary gifts, meals, gift cards. Some people may more just be on the spectrum but not a full blown PD which goes back to the question if its the environment and ideology messing with people who otherwise wouldnt be that way or is it something already in the person like elastigirl mentioned. We exist only to Pray, Pay Pay Pay, and most important OBEY! The fact that you got your story from someone who wasnt a member and doesnt even know them personally shows that this is slander and gossip, You should have spoken and heard both sides before reporting anything. Looks like Carl *Low Shorts* Lentz has some friends out there. A common term that is used is, passing the trash. Just like Pedo Pastors, someone really needs to start a Take-a-Number System. Thinking that were heaven bound. We continue to work closely with Facilities In a letter dated May 25, 2021, Hunter, who is pastor of the Grace Memorial Church on Chicago's West Side, briefed Pelosi on the murder of his 17-year-old great nephew. Wimberley was the worship pastor at the Dallas Northway campus before joining Hall at the Plano campus. It came to light Tuesday that in 2016, Hunter Hall committed infidelity with another adult member of our church, which disqualifies him as an elder and staff member and he has therefore been removed from both of those positions. Eugene Harris - 1898; Rev. Cynthia W.: Shakespeares Falstaff, now supposed to be a lovable rogue, but hes a textbook narcissistic abuser. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. YOU WOMAN! elastigirl: the significant part is the wife becomes conditioned to be passive. Hunter is ideally located on campus with a great backyard as well as an open quad area that is home to the Lower Quad Four square court. The meeting was cancelled and has yet to be rescheduled. That is a noble cause this is, if everything were as it seemed. Housing Scholarship Info. They are us. peer pressure. The church followed through on their promise to support the two families, keeping them on the payroll for a short time. And that Elizabethan standards of humor probably differed from ours? Dr. Hunter has an extensive educational background having earned a doctorate in Education from Nova Southeastern University and a Doctor . They have effective safeguards for children and adults. Whew! If this teaching or movement is merely human it will collapse of its own accord. (Acts 5) The new reformation will fade into oblivion within a few years its merely human. On the other hand, most pulpiteers that I have known were not spiritual men (not Holy Spirit anyway). Thanks for sharing! Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! I do have questions: At this point both couples had stopped attending Citizens Church, and Isaac Wimberley had served a short stint as a worship leader at Lake Pointe Churchs White Rock Campus, where former Village Church Northway Campus Pastor Steve Hardin is now the pastor. Satan branded himself to represent God: What did God tell you? The magic words here would have been, Bill, can you give me a hand with Stevie? However, Bill probably would have spotted the problem early on. Most mission organizations that Im aware of dont let you leave the country without at least one assessment, often more than that. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them., [] SWINGING PASTORS? singleman: Im not sure such assessments are required prior to a church hiring a candidate for a pastors position. Reach out to us if you have any questions about the housing process, room assignments If they $upport the pulpiteers? Because of that faulty system, the responsibility has now fallen on those of us who are willing to expose these misbehaving pastors so that there is a record for others to find. I would say wife-swapping is a rejection of a socially established morality at least in my neck of the woods. In other words, they keep candidates humble. theyre awareness-challenged, thanks to nature and nurture (which christian doctrine and culture encourage rather than confront). HOME; ABOUT; PERSONAL INSURANCE Menu Toggle. If they would avoid this bizarre obsession with calling preachers Gods special anointed and lifting them up so high, these men might actually retain enough humility to embrace the concept of working out your faith in fear and trembling. Humility before God and humility among your fellow humans would go a long way to change these horrible offenses. In 2013, The Village Church released a rap album featuring Wimberley with a duet of Wimberley & popular Christian rapper Tedashii. Eddie Dudderar, Assistant. . Im glad you were able to recognize it and hopefully endure smear campaigns and abuse if that happened after you left. My source said that a friend of hers who is not even a member of Citizens Church, (or a christian) had heard about it and provided more details. It is all an enmeshed mess trying to figure out what the heck is going on. According to the church's website, Hall had been the senior pastor at Hunters Glen Baptist Church in Plano since 1989. I love to cook but tomorrow we are going to Cracker Barrel which is amusing since Im a foodie. Max: We Serve the Church with Strategic Real Estate Solutions CURRENT PROPERTIES 3111 W Ledbetter Drive Dallas, TX 75233 Agent : Roosevelt Broach Phone : 469-688-2803 View Details 5311 W Pleasant Ridge Road Arlington, TX 76016 Agent : Gene J. Livens, CCIM Phone : 817-516-0071 View Details 2383 Dunloe Drive Dallas, TX 75228 Agent : Roosevelt Broach I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. The 18 gifts are not the charismatic Pentecostal off-the-rails magic show. It never occured to them to a) let me speak in the first place and b) even have me around or invite me in so that I could. The practice of Swinging/Wife Swapping is straight out of those pre-AIDS, pre-Herpes, pre-Chlamydia days of the Swinging Seventies. And Im not surprised that this came from the Acts 29 corner of New Calvinism, an organization which was founded by potty-mouth Mark Driscoll and now headed by Matt Chandler. The site also notes he was a former chaplain to the Plano Fire and Police. Movies. Harriet. There, you will be automatically assigned to University Forest Apartments. And everyone would find him tremendously good company. Christianity has become more about having correct ideology than pure hearts and how people exercise the faith. They are our family, and God has raised them up and established them in Plano to do ministry in Plano for the people of Plano.. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, who followed them are now confused and disillusioned. And even told us, anyone who wanted more information/details to help process, their doors were open. From annual traditions like the Cultural Extravaganza, to faculty vs. student kickball Specifically, elders and pastors are called to be above reproach. YOU SHUT UP!. He never really liked it as he thought if it continued, you might have only 10-15 pastors left in the country. Calvin himself was an accomplice to murder. But the World has moved on so to speak, and gray heads with many years of experience are no longer valued. I bet you will. Pastor Willie Hunter Jr. and Lady Shauna Cobb-Hunter, have been married over 20 years and are blessed with three children, Noah, Caleb and Leah. Yes. How come its the men wife swapping! However, police insisted Pastor Hall failed the administered field sobriety test," Fellowship Baptist Church said in a statement Monday. Our church made a mistake about 15 years ago in hiring an associate pastor at a time when some key people were under a lot of strain. Max: Thanks, HUG a fascinating article.Im convinced that New Calvinism is comprised of concentric inner rings, where young reformers pay their dues (idolize leaders buy their books, attend their conferences; tweet and retweet nuggets of knowledge from the masters; advance reformed theology in local communities; take over churches for the glory of the movement, etc.) Some denoms also have programs for helping clergy who are having problems. The Apostle Paul personally wrote a letter to the Corinthian church when he heard what was going on with the sexual sin that had infected it. Atheism Uber Alles. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. They have matured in their faith at The Village Church. It kind of reminds me of mortal vs venial sin. They deserve to know the truth about what happened so that they can heal, and become wiser. ++++++++++++. True. healthy human beings catch themselves at some point, and get themselves on a better track. After speaking with my source, who is a member at Citizens, she informed me that the Halls & the Wimberleys were very close friends outside of church, were involved in the band together, and that there did not seem to be an imbalance of power in their relationships. Menu. and inclusive environment where you are able to succeed academically, explore campus There are thousands of them in SBC church plants and satellites of mega-churches, like The Village Church. I do know Ill never attend a megachurch. A sign of low self differentiation and low self worth? Words are paper & noise if they lack appropriate action. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). In the aftermath of these revelations, it was discovered that the other adult member that Hunter Hall had committed infidelity with was the wife of worship pastor Isaac Wimberley. Pastoral search committees may not use Google, but the membership can. Continuing reading at this link. They need to repent, then find another line of work. We are committed to caring for you. perhaps they are rather normal, but something about The Village Church culture made them feel like celebrity superstars with power enough to be immune to the rules the apply to lesser beings. . 2,738 listeners Timothy Keller. Pastor / Church Planting & Strengthening. The Halls have reportedly moved to Colorado and are still together. Thanks, HUG a fascinating article. They have become Christians at The Village Church. ; the world; I Timothy 3:1-7). (its good to have connections, you know). Former Village Church Satellite Rocked by Allegations Concerning Its Former Pastor, Before You Sign: What You Need to Know About Membership Covenants, Sexually compromised leaders at a church formerly The Village Church Plano Campus Divorce Minister. A skilled mediator can help resolve your civil dispute out of court. I dont get why it is okay to publicly gossip and humiliate them. Swingin while singin Jesus is a song heard only in Hell. This disqualifying sin happened in 2016, but came to light this week. Mercy meets practical needs, as does helps or service (not the pastors To Do Checklist). God will judge those outside. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. If a church finance employee embezzled thousands of dollars from their church, do you think the next church they tried to apply for a similar position at would hire them, knowing of their misconduct? At the very least, less Shandas fur die Goyim. Friend: More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. To paraphrase an old Excedrin commercial: They wanted to make sure their kids knew the church loved them and didnt abandon them. Why then, would we regard money with so much more reverence and importance than the souls of women and men? Too much money and power, and too many eyes gazing admiringly at you, is likely to mess with you, no matter how well you start out. Gridlock'd. Waist Deep. That day was supposed to be an exciting day for the newly minted Citizens Church in Plano. Its perfectly manly for dads to wade into rowdiness or do any child-care chore. Skip to content. When I learned that the chairman of the elders board at my church had been swinging with his much younger second wife (who had been coerced into it), had defrauded a church member and a person from outside the church, then committed insurance fraud a number of times (one of which caused an innocent fatality), it was shocking and sickening. The experience you get here is for a purpose - to give you a better chance at career Here is her new account. Our diverse team of student and professional staff are here to help create a safe Im convinced that New Calvinism is comprised of concentric inner rings. i think we all are susceptible to things that go in the personality disorder direction. or meal plans. there just werent a lot of charged issues. That is a noble cause this is, if everything were as it seemed. Pastor Christopher A. Wimberly Sr. invites you to worship at Hunter Hill 1st Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia on Tuesday at 7:00pm and Sunday at. Basically these environments do little to encourage dealing with the concept of the self as is and how it interplays with theology and ministry. A pastor who asks his wife to follow into this level of sin is wickedness of the worst order. . Why dont you say a the wives were swapping their husbands! Evangelicalism has a cultural problem. She is the founder and Senior Pastor of The Baptist Worship Center Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. theyre not bad men. we went to a sporting event. It all goes back to 2016, when Hunter committed adultery with a woman in the churchbut the story only began there. These are open ended questions that are yet to be answered. FORMER VILLAGE CHURCH SATELLITE ROCKED BY ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING IT FORMER P [], So, what we have here is one adult couple participating in consensual sexual relations with another adult couple. Wasnt Falstaff intended as a comedy-relief character? The bad guys move along to the next house. But its socks, always socks. Get the latest information about campus updates and events, student and alumni success One example if a person was being evaluated over the course of therapy sessions: 2700 Bay Area Boulevard, Houston, TX 77058, Sexual Misconduct Reporting and Awareness (Title IX). stories, and more. SoSickOfAbuseEnabling: The way to deal with this kind of behavior, though, is not to stop preaching grace. You will not believe itor maybe you will. Aaron Addison. They are the parents of three sons, and the grandparents of five. What could go wrong? the women clutched their invisible pearls and the men looked like theyd just been punched, (with a touch of hyperbole), and after a bit of feet-shifting & spluttering, the pastor conceded. This person believes that they are the worst of all sinners to ever live and they deserve nothing good that they have. Suffering Puritan? Bad-boy preachers love bad-boy elders like that they cover each others butt when the going gets rough. You know the old myth that celebrities die in threes, or something to that effect? Do Pastor and Worship Leader wear polyester leisure suits open to their navels showing off their coke spoons dangling against dyed chest hair? aising cattle and selling expensive, but guaranteed, clean steaks. It is extremely difficult to safely extract from someone like that. i marvel at how christian culture prizes itself on having all the answers to produce elite people, and how sad & inferior the results. Please keep me in your thoughts and prayers. We will do everything we can to walk with ever person impacted by this, not just now, but in the months to come.. games, UHCL's campus activities offer an ideal opportunity to explore life outside Though these days its most visible manifestations are gangs and political cronyism. Hall was immensely popular as the Plano campus pastor, and was slated to leadCitizens Church, after its roll off as an autonomous campus in late summer 2019. New Calvinism has a particularly bad case of it. Youll be okay as long as you go to confession and do penance if its venial, at least in the eyes of many lay people. Hunter is a recent graduate and loves investing in relationships. Dr. Louis R. Jones succeeded Dr. Smith as the eighteenth Pastor of West Hunter Street Baptist Church. I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. of Church Safety/Accountability . Lead Pastor. Everything we do at Hunter Hall primary school has one purpose - to enable children to discover and embrace the joy of . Info like this could be helpful when dealing with abusive churches. I dont know how fundavangelicalism does it, but it left me both extremely shocked and somehow not. And I believe Chandler made those comments before all this took place. Are you not to judge those inside? 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